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 Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:57 am • # 1 |
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Which would you choose for UL rods?
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keebranch
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:25 am • # 2 |
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I handled neither, so I wouldn't know where to even start. I would be interested in the results as I'm sure some have or will see on or both.
Les
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:44 am • # 3 |
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I have to lean away from the Hardy. It is made in Korea, and has a very very unconventional styling, without a true central arbor.
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Rockthief
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:33 am • # 4 |
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I have no experience withe the Marksman. I own two GT24 reels and would gladly own another if I needed one.
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:53 am • # 5 |
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Paul, if you can, please post some pictures of the GT24
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jkurtz7
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:42 pm • # 6 |
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flyflingerandy1 wrote: I have to lean away from the Hardy. It is made in Korea, and has a very very unconventional styling, without a true central arbor. Dude your Orvis is made in Korea.
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:44 pm • # 7 |
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Yeah, but it's not a Hardy, which the box still has the Alnwick name on it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:00 pm • # 8 |
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That's because Hardy is IN Alnwick. They don't hide the fact that their products are now made overseas. The Hardy glass rod I checked out at the Expo a few weeks back
had a "Made in China" sticker on it.
I must admit that I had a HUGE prejudice against all tackle made overseas, But since American made tackle is no longer in my price range then I had to accept the fact that if I wanted new tackle, then I had to buy mostly imported stuff.
Orvis reels used to proudly display "made in England" right on the reel. I can't recall or not if the same models these days have Made in China, or Korea plastered all over them. They may, but knowing Orvis, they don't.
I've handled the new Hardy reels, and in my opinion they are nicer than the Orvis reels. Better attention to detail, after all they have to meet Hardy's high standards.
Lots of high dollar reels are made in Korea these days, I believe the Sage reels are, but I may be mistaken on that one.
J.
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Rockthief
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:41 pm • # 9 |
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   The pawl is a hard but flexible wand. Extra pawls are shipped with the reel - I believe to adjust the drag somewhat depending on the pawl. Neat little reel. Youu can see in the last photograph how the spool is push from the frame. It is held in place by a strong O ring and works quite well. I have a Teeny First Cast WF5F on one reel. This line is 60'.
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jkurtz7
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:35 pm • # 10 |
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So where is the Vision made? I looked them up on the net, and one UK site had them for 89 British Pounds, or about the same price as an Orvis BBS.
Also the company website does not say where these reels are made.
By the way, I voted for the Hardy. They are gonna be way easier for Featherlite to find locally.
J.
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Rockthief
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:10 pm • # 11 |
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They are out of Finland, but I suspect the products are Korean. However, I can find no reference on the reel, the box, or the papers referring to the country of manufacture.
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:04 am • # 12 |
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J, the Orvis reels that I have bought, on the box say Made in Korea. The reels had a sticker on the foot, well my Mid-Arbor did, that said Made in Korea. I have no problem with Made in Korea, however, for Hardy to charge what they still charge for a non English made product, IMO is ridiculous.
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jkurtz7
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:06 am • # 13 |
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Orvis did the same thing, the prices stayed the same. And as you know they just raised them.
J.
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:17 am • # 14 |
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A Korean made Orvis is worth $150, a Korean made Hardy is worth $150, NOT $295 for a Flyweight.
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jkurtz7
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:20 am • # 15 |
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:27 am • # 16 |
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Orvis never tried to keep PREMIUM pricing. They are and have been a mid priced reel, a quality product at a reasonable price, not trying to play on the mystique of the Hardy name.
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keebranch
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:46 am • # 17 |
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With regard to the Korean made flyweights I seriously doubt they would have imposed a price reduction nor will they cheat the specs down. I haven't handled one of the later models but I suspect they are better made than the "knock-offs" for which Heddon and others were famous for producing in the Orient.
Les
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:50 am • # 18 |
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It loses the allure of being made in England, so I won't be buying one at that price point. If I can find one for next to nil, maybe, HAHA...
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keebranch
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:56 am • # 19 |
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Andy,
That's the spirit.
I will say this, Hardy's springs and pawls are superior. Ron let me handle one of his Heddon /Hardy knock-offs which he had retrofitted with the Hardy innards, and the reel sang like the real thing. Old/new Hardys are really neat and well-made.
Les
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flyflingerandy1
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:04 am • # 20 |
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I like the old Hardys, and I am not doubting how well the new ones are made, but the price is a little much for a Korean made reel.
Now, about the Marksman, I have handled one, and I didn't care for how it felt. It feels almost cheap IMO.
Anyway...enough about moving production to the Orient. It is commonplace nowdays and we have to deal with it.
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