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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:36 pm • # 21 
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Very true...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:25 pm • # 22 
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Well Ive been fishing ultra lights for nearly two decades and find two very important points to consider. First what are you fishing for? Also whats your tippet rating for real? A native trout or nice bass can put a run on you and snap a 1# tippet faster than it took you to set the hook. So in consideration of using ultra light tippets, I would suggest the primary concern should be the ability of the reel to hold an absolute constant drag setting for that hook set and run.
Honestly one of my favorite reels is an old tuna can Martin. Its got a big enough spool capacity to load 120 yards of 12# backing and either a WF1F or a DT1F. Just about what it takes to turn and tire a decent fighting fish in a confined area like a nice little stream or creek, or winter river low flows.
Heres one of my little favorites a little 61 tan tuna can Martin with an Orvis DT1F reel weighs just under 3 ounces
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as you can see on this longer 7 1/2ft 1wt Orvis rod the balance point is at the tip of the grip. Although for me
personally a DT1F on this rod is a poor choice, this longer rod likes a WF2F much better, she's good for 40-50ft
precision sight casting with that combination.
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Same rod with a little Medialist 1492 1/2 this is my favorite reel with that rod and shows almost perfect balance
fully loaded, the simple click drag allows me to control all the added resistance by fingering the line and the angle
of the rod producing the needed constant drag to turn and tire the fish.
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Im fishing this combination with a 1-2 wt 5ft sinking furrled tapered leader and a 2 1/2ft 1# tippet
Next would be my shorty 2wt Orvis, this time its only 6 1/2ft, however coupled with a Ryobi 255 Magnesium
reel its really a perfect balance This rod likes the DT2F or WF3F lines in my hands
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again great balance on this combo
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This is a little Okuma SLV 23, balances nicely, with the added advantage of being able to adjust the drag by a finger
on the spool rim. This is a neat little rig the line is a WF3 F/S Orvis stripper (4ft sinking head) works perfect on this
combination for me with a 5ft 3-4wt sinking furrled tapered leader and again a 1# tippet. This is actually my favorite
combination with this rod.
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Ok, heres another line I like with it an older Lee Wulff TT2I
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Now comes my heavy artiliary, the 3wts.
My back pack rod, not expensive but works well, a Damon Royal 6ft 3wt 4 piece
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Another little Ryobi 255 Magnesium, this time with a WF3F and a spider (skater) for some dry fly action
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Finally my long gun a Sage DS2 386 at 8 1/2ft, coupled with a Redington CD 3/4 reel and a DT3F
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This rod will cast way our and buck some winds, both with the DT3F and another of the Orvis mini Stripper lines
this time a WF4 F/S stripper with mini sinking tip
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here are a few more of my spare reels that I put in the bag when I go out, first the vernable Orvis CFO II

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And a couple of Orvis Large Arbor I's as well
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Ive found that at least using the 1# tippets, that the lack of setting drag saves alot of broken tippets. So often
I will be fishing the little inexpensive Martin's or Medalist's however once I shift to heavier tippets I like the more
expensive reels with good adjustable drags and brakes.
However that leads right back to what are you fishing for and what's your tippet like?

Of all the ultra lights Ive owned or fished, one stands our as my all time favorite, the 2005 Sage TXL 00wt at 7ft 10 inches. I first handled one when our local Sage Pro Shop here on the lake got one as a demo, set up with their line designed just for this rod and their 3100 click and pawl reel. After a couple of hours fishing that demo I bought a whole outfit. Today both the rod and reel are discontinued. My son now has that sweet little combo as his one and only ultra light outfit. But then if you can have just one, why not have the best one. Frankly its the first rod that Ive fished that was true to its line rating, while its a special performace line designed by Sage just for the rod, never the less you can really let fly on a windless day.

Ive a bunch of other slightly heavier reels, but they are truely better suited for 4wt rods however all of the above will easily balance any of the rods you see shown above.
Richard



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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:51 am • # 23 
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Wow Richard,
That is a nice arsenal of UL rods and UL reels. Damon: Iv'e never heard of them. How did you come to find that rod? Is it custom or is it domestic?

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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:43 am • # 24 
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Richard, came across a reel recently (used), similar to the Reddington CD 3/4 you have shown, I was wondering if you have an experience with the Reddington RS2 3/4. I guess it is a mid arbor reel like your CD, the drag system seems to be different. Also have an Orvis Battenkill III, shame they discontinued that model, I always liked them thanks ... Paul


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:54 am • # 25 
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That Battenkill III is a lightweight reel and you are a lucky dude Paul! I have been looking for one of them for awhile now, but eBay is a fickle, fickle partner.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:49 am • # 26 
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Andy, also got a spare spool for the Battenkill III, a large sporting good store in Portland carried the Orvis line, when they discontinued the reel I got the spool really discounted. I am curious about the Reddington RS2 3/4 reel that I recent found for sale. It also came with three spools. One spool had a Rio Selective Trout in a DT3F, that line is a couple of bucks and I wud like to try one. If my recollections are correct I believe the other spool had a Cortland Sylk DT3F, look like the guy is downsizing to me. BTW if I ever want to part with the Battenkill III you get the first shot at it (It has the black finish) & still have the case for it ....... Paul


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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:21 am • # 27 
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Richard,
While the Sage 3100 and original Quiet Taper line are discontinued (replaced by the Click I reel and Quiet DT line), they are still available on closeout sales if you look online. The TXL rods, including the 00, are still made just like they were, just a bit more expensive.
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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:12 pm • # 28 
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Hi Guys, glad you liked my little quiver of ultra lights its changed alot over they years, Im hoping to build up an S-glass Steffen, actually two of them hopefully a 1wt and the other an honest 2wt. However from my experence with all but the Sage TXL series of ultra ultra lights, I've never been comfortable with a posted line weight for my ultra light graphite rods. Ive always felt they required at least 1/2 line weight to a full line weight to load properly, both for distance and accuracy of cast. As to final presentation, alot of that is controlled by the proper leader (Im completely sold on furrled tapered leaders for both floating and sinking) and using the lightest tippet possible so that even the tiny midges and nymphs have enough weight to lay out the tippet flat without a splash.

I find it far more important not to snap off the tippet on the take and set than I do any other aspect of using light lines for fighting fish. Next would be backing capacity to let the fish tire and turn. Drag should be a subject of the rods bow and a tiny amount of added pressure even from one finger on the line itself. A one point tippet will break on the first drag mistake!

Les, the Damon may be out out of business. Back around 4 years ago they were often seen on Ebay, Their suggested retail was around $150-200 but they never went for that, think this one was around $90 delivered and I was in need of a pack rod for the golden trout wilderness and in sort of a hurry so I opted to try one. Its a really good rod though, I believe its IM6 it really flex's nicely and loads up well. Its one of the closest rods to advertised line weights Ive ever tried, loading up a WF3wt perfectly even for a short 6ft rod. Interestingly Ive watched for another and never seen another new one or used one offered on Ebay. Also about 2 or three years ago the company was dumping alot of rod building materials on Ebay, seats guides etc, so it may have been a going out of business sale then. The rod I have is sweet, almost like a fast progressive full flexing glass. The action reminds me alot of my lightest Phillipson Eponite shorty, an early Royal, and my favorite 5wt. Its full flexing, but loads so you can really feel it and control your cast.

Paul, Ive not tried any of the other Redington Reels as yet, I bought this one just at the anouncement of Redingtons sale to Sage I think. At the time it was a factory closeout and I dearly wanted to try one out. By the time I had received it and lined it out and taken it fishing all the neat closeout sales were gone, so Ive not tried another. However I truely love this one for sure.

The original Orvis Battenkill Large Arbor series is one of my all time favorites, when Orvis announced they were leaving BFR and heading offshore for manufacture of their reel line I snapped up several examples of each size from their online website. Ive not been sorry one bit either, they are outstanding reels, from the tiny I to the biggest I load with my Saltwater 12wts.

Cross Creek One, thanks for the tip, I picked up one of the 3100's for $180 plus $5 shipping and an extra spool too for a song. Also the very last of the Quite taper lines in 00 but they have some discounted Quite Tape IIs as well for about $15 off. I will have to see our local Sage dealer and see if he has any of the TXL 00's as demo's I know he uses one each year, its a favorite of his, with the current price and knowing how he cares for his demo's I might be able to get a deal. I miss that rod, its the only ultra light line Ive ever cast that was true to the line rating and loaded well for precise sight casting and yet could easily muster 45 feet.

Richard


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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:42 pm • # 29 
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Paul, thanks for the consideration on the BK III. Let me know if you want to part with it.

Richard, I appreciate your sharing your views on UL fishing. My biggest thing is that I want to minimize break-offs from strong fish. I prefer either a smooth disc drag or a light click and pawl drag. I have the drag on my BBS I set near the lightest setting, and I tend to leave it alone unless I hook into a particularly strong fish, then I can add more. The rod is the biggest concern for me. Is it springy enough to cushion the tippet against energy spikes.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:15 am • # 30 
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Now the proud owner of that Reddington RS2 3/4, nice reel, alittle bigger & heavier than I thought it would be. It is classified as a medium arbor reel. It did have a few issues, but I made the gent an offer he could not refuse. It came with a total of three spools. One has the Rio Selective Trout DT3F. One the few lines that I have never owned, but read good reports about it. Will try it out on the water thisweek. Richard, He had a Reddington GD (I believe the designation was GD) very similar to the reel you displayed in your post, It was a stainless finish, also nice reel, lighter than the RS2, the postion of the drag adjustment was in the same place as yours. He told me that RS2 was about 5 years old and the CD & GD were later models. Paul


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 Post subject: Favorite light reel
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:19 am • # 31 
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nice grab Paul!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:26 am • # 32 
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That Reddington GD 3/4 was also nice in stainless ... WOW I need another reel like I need another eye in the middle of my forehead. What I need is to stay off this web site for awhile ....Nah I love this place, very mind stimulating, gets you thinking about all the things you dont need but want ...if I didnt see Richards post on that Reddington reel there is no way I would bought the RS2, AH ya only go around one time right ... Paul


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:39 pm • # 33 
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I completely understand Paul...now...I need to keep away from ebay and Orvis...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:39 pm • # 34 
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I just want to say kudos for the little Abel Creek fly reel. Last year I purchased the smallest in this series of fly reels and was pleasantly surprised. I fished with the 3/4 Orvis battenkill and the little 2.2 oz austin forbes for several years and although both did a nice job, in the back of my mind just wanted something better with a softer drag.....Did my homework and came up with the Abel creek....somewhat pricey but oh my what a wonderful click and pawl little large arbor reel. By the way this reel does a wonderful job on ultralight tippet protection....Caught three (3) trout over 12" long on 12x tippet.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:37 pm • # 35 
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RN....

Any idea what the Abel weighs?....not like I am going to buy one though - the price is enough to scare me off.

They sure look nice though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:33 pm • # 36 
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It weighs in at 3.8 oz. I use it on my sage txl 00wt.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:09 pm • # 37 
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Very nice! We need to see this setup to truly appreciate it, but I want to hear more about this reel. I have caught tidbits in passing, but honestly, I haven't paid them much mind.

3 over 12"? Sounds like I need to get busy on this 12x12 feat...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:45 pm • # 38 
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Andy, Just google abel creek and go on their website and all of the info is there to enjoy it. The 12x12 club was originated in Missouri and is an ongoing thing out there. Several folks have done it. I picked up on the idea and started doing it on my own in Maryland. It's something a little different than the norm but wow what a hoot.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:49 pm • # 39 
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well Im gonna piss some folks off IM sure, but you know what, my favorite reel for ultra light tippets, i.e. 1# is the little dumb, cheap Martin 61, long gone but you can carefully pickup one for around $10 in near mint plus shipping on evil bay. I have half a dozen, all with my favorite LLs and ultra light tippets. Know what the lack of an adustable drag and there very light clicker drag is perfect for 1# tippets on my Orvis and Sage rods. I line them out with plenty of backing and depend on the rod flex to turn them at 11 oclock. or a very careful and simple application of finger pressure on the line against the cork. Simple as that. I have megga dollar reels. Know what fighting a fish is not the time to adjust drag settings with ultra light lines or tippets. Guys think about it. Try a low cost little Martin and see what I mean. If your gonna use a tippet under 2# and want to have 20 minutes plus of fun bring a gill or crappie to net,then consider the rod is there to develope the feel of the set and take and to produce the drag at whatever elevation you select. the reel doesnt have to produce any drag. Remember reading about the days when the guys would put thier reels in their pockets. They werent adjusting drag there. The real as Lee Wulff said is the storage center for the line, nothing more. You the fly fisherman makes the drag and tension with your rod position and tension on the line. I havent broken a tippet in over a year keeping that concept as my primary concern while UL fly fishing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:02 am • # 40 
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Good points Andy....since I seem to be obssessing about weight these days.....what does a little tuna can 61 weigh?

David


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